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« on: July 23, 2013, 09:25:32 AM »

Is there a Grandmother and Grandfather God?

If God is the highest, how does he know whether or not there is another God above him, just as many of us are unaware of higher beings above us? How does, or does God know he/she is the highest?

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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2013, 03:09:23 PM »

"If God is the highest" then there is no one higher.


"Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." Jesus said to Peter in Mt. 16:19 RSV

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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2013, 04:05:40 PM »

But how does God know that? What if there's a hidden dimension above him?

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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2013, 09:44:59 PM »

In the Gnostic Apocrypha Christ teaches that he has a grandmother and mother in heaven too. He says the grandmother is Barbello. He says his mother in heaven is Achamoth the mother on Earth Mary. Barbello is the cosmic womb . the never incarnate, creator of the Elohim.

In Genesis the Elohim are the creators male and female. The Abrahamic religions interpret this plural Elohim as Yahweh for the male aspect and the holy land of Israel for the female aspect is a metaphor. Christian Kaballahists call the male aspect Yahweh also and the Holy Spirit is called by some Shekinah and by thers it is the symbol of the white dove and a metaphor.

But the more ancient temples were gendered balanced mother and father Godhead before Solomon destroyed the temple. Christ said he came to restore the temple as the prophecies proclaimed but he would be unable to do so , as the prophecies also proclaimed.

So this long tale indicates that imho yes there is a plurality to God and a hierarchy ;
    (The cosmic womb of stars)
              (The All Mother)
    (Godhead Male and Female -Avatars from dverse rligious perspectives)
                   /   \
         Yahweh   Shekinah


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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2013, 06:52:55 AM »

Is there a Grandmother and Grandfather God?

If God is the highest, how does he know whether or not there is another God above him, just as many of us are unaware of higher beings above us? How does, or does God know he/she is the highest?

Depends on what you mean by God :).

I have always taken God as THE ALL, being the origin of emanation of duality, the highest Kether. And God and Goddess as an emanation of duality, Chochmah and Binah.

But you could actually place God and Godess into Tiphereth's six sephiroth (Zeir Anpin), that would make Chochmah and Binah grandfather and grandmother.

Talking about how does God (THE ALL) knows of being the highest (I am trying to avoid the gender as we are not talking about duality here)... Well, basically because "it" is THE ALL, it is everything including every god, deity, angel, demon, human, object, toy, idea, everything. That's the Kether.

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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2013, 08:27:06 PM »

I believe in that premise too, that beyond any human hierarchy thereis a non gender divine sentient light which permeates all universes and is a part of any sentient lifeform's consciousness in that we are all connected through that irregardless of belief systems or paradigms.

I see a black hand and a white hand above the crown of Kether I see these often in visions they are a Kaballahistic metaphor; "the hands above the crown " but they are also an archetype of duality;

black         white
mother       father
night          day
peace         power
wisdom       knowledge
compassion righteousness
mercy         justice
humility       authority
submission   agression
passive        active

So in my humble opinion there is the crown which is a union and there is a dichotomy above it and below it and there is a union above the hands , also

       limitless light
     either neither or
        ain soph aur
the hands above the crown
Black Ama   White Abba
   Goddess &   God
          \         /
      crown of Keter
           /        \
      male and female

In my mind, the Kaballah begins as a flat space between the shoulders and hips and become a 3 dimensional cube from the head of the magician to the upside down head of the hanged man below the feet. Then this becomes a hypercube moving through time and space and includes infernal realms below the hanged man's head and supernal realms above the crown undulating and shifting and not in a concise contrived continuum any longer.

However, it serves to organise the kaballah in a manner of 12 spheres occurring on the body understanding that is a primitive and basal mapping of the cosmology. Each sphere is a distinct Hermetic element having attributes of colour, sound, smell and innate characteristics. Each sphere may be projected into , through and out of to realms with lessons and teachers and dreamscapes.

Once there were 2 then 4 then 8 then 9 then 10 then 11 with the space or void of Da'ath and Christ named 12 anciently and now there 16 spheres with the wheels of the chariot being a smaller set of 4;

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                                  Spheres                   reciprocal         
hands above crown   black       white     2 = 2  feet perineum         
crown.....................crystal                 1 = 3  perineum
third eye..................             gold       1 = 4   navel
eyes .......................aqua       rose      2 = 6   gonads   
mouth......................blue                    1 = 7   anus     
above the shoulders...purple      yellow    2 = 9   below hips
shoulders.................indigo      orange    2 = 11  hips     
breasts....................ebony      ivory      2 = 13  nostrils
naval.......................silver                   1 = 14  third eye
ovaries.....................sapphire  topaz  0/2 = 16   ears 
testes infernal wheels.sapphire   topaz 2/0 = 16   ears 
hips........................chartreuse salmon   2 = 18  shoulders       
below the hips..........emerald      ruby     2 = 20   above shoulders
anus.......................                red       1 = 21   mouth
perineum.................        rainbow         1 = 22   crown
coccyx...................        shadow          0 = 22     
abyss below perineum above crown-absence   

                  Humunculus      Human         Magician     Giant
                  Fingers            Gloves         Rings           Mitts
right  hand                   
fire    pinky   orange              gold sun      citron         flouro orange
water ring     indigo               silver moon   amethyst    fluoro purple
earth middle  salmon red         ruby           garnet        fluoro red
air     inde   chartreuse green  emerald   bright emerald  fluoro green

left hand
earth index   rose                 ebony black    mountain   bubble giggle juice     
air     middle aqua                 ivory white     fog           vines growth
fire    ring    amber               topaz             full moon   stellis starlight
water pinky  purple               sapphire         ocean        mirris shield

                 Toes                 Sandals            Boots      Snowshoes
left foot
earth pinky  pomegranite red  pink              gray hickory  pom.blossom
air     ring    fig green           pastel green   willow green  fig blossom
fire    middle golden apple      pale yellow     golden oak   apple blossom
water index  purple plum        platinum blue  silver ash     plum blossom

right foot           
fire    index    buttermilk       burnt crops famine antimony        lava   
water middle  lavender grape wormwood poison  gunmetal        rain
earth  ring     brown bread    rot decay flesh      rusty iron       salt
air     pinky    green olive      methane poison  oxidized copper  cloud

The thumbs and big toes reflect a vibration of that which occurs on the
fingers .  For example Fool's Gold Pyrite appears on the left thumb before the sun rises on the right pinky. Similarly the right thumb colours up silver but it is shiny heavy lead and the real silver appears later on the right ring finger.

There are 4 layers of colour on each of 16 phalanges or 64 Hermetic colours in our pallette which 2x2x2x2x2x2 or 2 to the 6th power.
1  point singular point
2  line plural line x female or + male
4  plane pairs of vertical & horizontal lines ; 1 flat square
8  cube of 8 points
16 stack 3 cubes separate pair of cubes forms 32 points w/new cube between
32 pillars; pair of stacks forms new stack between 
64 columns ; 2 pairs of stacks forms matrix between which is 8 cubic corners

The placement of the energy in the correct location causes the formation
of the humunculus the servitor the mini me

The mini me can project from the mind as an aspect which has karmic ties to self
the creation of the humunculus and the giant are no different. But there is purpose and function in creating the dwarf and giant of self.



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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2013, 11:32:42 PM »

Ascension is the improvement of the spirit more compact and more light , more power and higher vibration.

Descension is the loosening of the consciousness the creation of abyss instead of forming it is the unforming and the lowered vibration.

Bardon posited that each Hermetic element has a positive and negative aspect.

Science demonstrates that the magnet has two poles one positive one negative.
The dry cell or a group of dry cells called a battery has two poles ; + and -

So the genders have two poles;
           MAGNETIC NEGATIVE WATER LEFT ARM                 

                 FIRE                AIR               EARTH       WATER
                 GOLD              WHITE            RUBY        SILVER           
CELESTIAL   SUN                CLOUD           EARTH       MOON             
SPHINX        LION               HUMAN          BULL         EAGLE           

ASPECT       HIGHER                               GUARDIAN  GUARDIAN     
                 SELF                OBE              DEMON      ANGEL   

                 YELLOW         EMERALD          BLACK        PURPLE
CELESTIAL   STAR             HEAVEN           HELS          UNIVERSE             
SPHINX       SERPENT        ANGEL    ....................................... .           

ASPECT       LOWER           ARCH              ARCH          FAERION     
                  SELF             ANGEL             DEMON       

REALM        TOTEMIC         HEAVEN           HELS         MAGICO-ELEMENTAL
                 ORANGE         GREEN                ROSE          INDIGO

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MALE +              FEMALE +
God                  Goddess
sun                   moon
day                   night
work                  rest
fertilise               germinate
fertilisation          conception     
impregnation       pregnancy
insemination        birth
golden temples    akasha
golden pyramids   gardens of compassion
knowledge           wisdom sophia
power pistis         peace   pax 
justice                mercy
righteousness       compassion
electric               magnetic
descending          ascending
temperance         abstinence
love                   nurture
service               charity

MALE +               FEMALE -
at onement         abyss
connection          gap
bright                 dark
light                   heavy
positive              negative
grounding            ridiculousness
discipline             apathy
active                 submissive
euphoria              depression
brave                  afraid
couragous            timid
faith                    hope

MALE -               FEMALE +
asymmetric         symmetric
odd                   even
singular              plural
divorce              marriage
bachelorhood      partnership
separate            unite
death                life
dangerous          safe
war                   peace
soldier               nurse
unhealthy           healthy
destroying          healing
demon               angel
hels                  heaven
anchoring           lifting/ flight
dispelling            gathering
filthy                 clean
consuming          attracting
rage                  calm
worry                acceptance
anxious              placid
drunk                 abstinence

MALE -              FEMALE -
overactive          sedate
zealot                apathy                           
rigosic                sattvic                 
manic                 lunatic
burnt out            flake out
miserly               excessive spending
careless             timid overprudent
wrath                 lacking empathy
greed                 spendthrift
sloth                  workaholic
slovenly              vain
lust                   frigid   
jealous               unfaithful
gluttonous          anorexia bulemia

Destruction or the break down of that which is not required by the body of light. It is the void , the gap, the abyss and the reduced vibration , the shadow, the netherworld, the absence of light. But it is not all negative it is also the unwinding, the hibernation, the peace, the calm, the rest, the night and the peace. 

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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2013, 08:30:16 AM »

This is what I've found about Barbelo


The Gnostic term Barbēlō (Greek Βαρβηλώ)[1] refers to the first emanation of God in several forms of Gnostic cosmogony. Barbēlō is often depicted as a supreme female principle, the single passive antecedent of creation in its manifoldness. This figure is also variously referred to as 'Mother-Father' (hinting at her apparent androgyny), 'First Human Being', 'The Triple Androgynous Name', or 'Eternal Aeon'. So prominent was her place amongst some Gnostics that some schools were designated as Barbeliotae, Barbēlō worshippers or Barbēlōgnostics.

The nature of Barbēlō

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In the Apocryphon of John, a tractate in the Nag Hammadi Library containing the most extensive recounting of the Sethian creation myth, the Barbēlō is described as "the first power, the glory, Barbēlō, the perfect glory in the aeons, the glory of the revelation". All subsequent acts of creation within the divine sphere (save, crucially, that of the lowest aeon Sophia) occurs through her co-action with God. The text describes her thus:
This is the first thought, his image; she became the womb of everything, for it is she who is prior to them all, the Mother-Father, the first man (Anthropos), the holy Spirit, the thrice-male, the thrice-powerful, the thrice-named androgynous one, and the eternal aeon among the invisible ones, and the first to come forth.
Barbēlō is found in other Nag Hammadi writings:
Allogenes makes reference to a Triple Powerful Invisible Spirit, a masculine female virgin, who is the Barbēlō.
The Holy Book of the Great Invisible Spirit refers to a divine emanation called 'Mother', who is also identified as the Barbēlō.
The Gospel of Judas—Judas Iscariot says to Jesus that he knows that Jesus is from the immortal realm of Barbēlō.
Marsanes—several places.
Melchizedek—twice, the second time in a prayer of Melchizedek: "Holy are you, Holy are you, Holy are you, Mother of the aeons, Barbelo, for ever and ever, Amen."
The Three Steles of Seth offers a description of "the first aeon, male virginal Barbelo, the first glory of the invisible Father, she who is called 'perfect'."
Trimorphic Protennoia ('First Thought in Three Forms'), even in the first person: "He perpetuated the Father of all Aeons, who am I, the Thought of the Father, Protennoia, that is, Barbelo, the perfect Glory, and the immeasurable Invisible One who is hidden. I am the Image of the Invisible Spirit, and it is through me that the All took shape, and (I am) the Mother (as well as) the Light which she appointed as Virgin, she who is called 'Meirothea', the incomprehensible Womb, the unrestrainable and immeasurable Voice."
Zostrianos—the aeon Barbēlō is referred to in many places.
Pistis Sophia
In the Pistis Sophia Barbēlō is named often, but her place is not clearly defined. She is one of the gods, "a great power of the Invisible God" (373), joined with Him and the three "Thrice-powerful deities" (379), the mother of Pistis Sophia (361) and of other beings (49); from her Jesus received His "garment of light" or heavenly body (13, 128; cf. 116, 121); the earth apparently is the "matter of Barbēlō" (128) or the "place of Barbēlō" (373).
In patristic texts

She is obscurely described by Irenaeus as "a never-aging aeon in a virginal spirit", to whom, according to certain "Gnostici", the Innominable Father wished to manifest Himself, and who, when four successive beings, whose names express thought and life, had come forth from Him, was quickened with joy at the sight, and herself gave birth to three (or four) other like beings.
She is noticed in several neighbouring passages of Epiphanius, who in part must be following the Compendium of Hippolytus, as is shown by comparison with Philaster (c. 33), but also speaks from personal knowledge of the Ophitic sects specially called "Gnostici" (i. 100 f.). The first passage is in the article on the Nicolaitans (i. 77 f.), but is apparently an anticipatory reference to their alleged descendants the "Gnostici" (77 A; Philast.). According to their view Barbēlō lives "above in the eighth heaven"; she had been 'put forth' (προβεβλῆσθαι) "of the Father"; she was mother of Yaldabaoth (some said, of Sabaoth), who insolently took possession of the seventh heaven, and proclaimed himself to be the only God; and when she heard this word she lamented. She was always appearing to the Archons in a beautiful form, that by beguiling them she might gather up her own scattered power.
Others, Epiphanius further seems to say (78 f.), told a similar tale of Prunikos, substituting Caulacau for Yaldabaoth. In his next article, on the "Gnostici", or Borborites (83 C D), the idea of the recovery of the scattered powers of Barbēlō recurs as set forth in an apocryphal Book of Noria, Noah's legendary wife.
For Noah was obedient to the archon, they say, but Noria revealed the powers on high and Barbelo, the scion of the powers—the opposite of the archon, as the other powers are. And she intimated that what has been taken from the Mother on High by the archon who made the world, and others with him—gods, demons, and angels—must be gathered from the power in the bodies, through the male and female emissions.
In both places Epiphanius represents the doctrine as giving rise to sexual libertinism. Mircea Eliade has compared these Borborite beliefs and practices involving Barbēlō to Tantric rituals and beliefs, noting that both systems have a common goal of attaining primordial spiritual unity through erotic bliss and the consumption of menses and semen.[2]
In a third passage (91 f.), enumerating the Archons said to have their seat in each heaven, Epiphanius mentions as the inhabitants of the eighth or highest heaven "her who is called Barbēlō", and the self-gendered Father and Lord of all things, and the virgin-born (αὐτολόχευτον) Christ (evidently as her son, for according to Irenaeus her first progeny, "the Light", was called Christ); and similarly he tells how the ascent of souls through the different heavens terminated in the upper region, "where Barbēro or Barbēlō is, the Mother of the Living" (Genesis  3:20).
Theodoret (H. F. f. 13) merely paraphrases Irenaeus, with a few words from Epiphanius. Jerome several times includes Barbēlō in lists of portentous names current in Spanish heresy, that is, among Priscillianists; Balsamus and Leusibora being three times associated with it (Ep. 75 c. 3, p. 453 c. Vall.; c. Vigil. p. 393 A; in Esai. lxvi. 4 p. 361 c; in Amos iii. 9 p. 257 E).
Babel, in the book of "Baruch" of the Gnostic Justinus, the name of the first of the twelve "maternal angels" born to Elohim and Edem (Hipp. Haer. v. 26, p. 151). She is identical with Aphrodite, and is enjoined by her mother to cause adulteries and desertions among men, in revenge for Edem's desertion by Elohim (p. 154). When Heracles is sent by Elohim as "a prophet of the uncircumcision" to overcome "the twelve evil angels of the creation," i. e. the maternal angels, Babel, now identical with Omphale, beguiles and enfeebles him (p. 156; x. 15, p. 323). She may possibly be the Baalti or female Baal of various Semitic nations, though the intrusive β is not easily explained. But it is on the whole possible to take Babel, "confusion" (Joseph. Ant. i. 4, § 3), as a form of Barbēlō, which may have the same meaning. The eclecticism of Justinus would account for his deposition of Barbēlō from the first to the second place, where she is still above Hachamoth.


In Gnostic accounts of God, the notions of impenetrability, stasis and ineffability are of central importance. The emanation of Barbēlō may be said to function as an intermediary generative aspect of the Divine, or as an abstraction of the generative aspect of the Divine through its Fullness. The most transcendent hidden invisible Spirit is not depicted as actively participating in creation. This significance is reflected both in her apparent androgyny (reinforced by several of her given epithets), and in the name Barbēlō itself. Several plausible etymologies of the name (Βαρβηλώ, Βαρβηρώ, Βαρβηλ, Βαρβηλώθ) have been proposed.
William Wigan Harvey (on Irenaeus), and Richard Adelbert Lipsius (Gnosticismus, p. 115; Ophit. Syst. in Hilgenfeld's Zeitschrift for 1863, p. 445) have proposed Barba-Elo, 'The Deity-in Four', with reference to the tetrad, which by the report of Irenaeus proceeds from her. Her relation to this tetrad bears however no true analogy to the Col-Arba of Marcus; it forms only the earliest group of her progeny; and it is mentioned but once.
'The supreme Limit,' paravela, from the Indian vela, 'limit'—a suggestion made by Julius Grill (Untersuchungen über die Entstehung des vierten Evangeliums, Tübingen, 1902, pp. 396–397), who connects it with the Valentinian Horos, the Barbēlō being called 'the supreme limit' in relation to the Patēr akatonomastos on the one side and to the lower syzygies on the other.
Wilhelm Bousset (Hauptprobleme der Gnosis, Göttingen, 1907, p. 14 f.) suggests that the word is a mutilation of parthenos—the intermediate form, Barthenōs, actually occurring in Epiphanius (Haer. xxvi. 1) as the name of Noah's wife.
Fenton John Anthony Hort (DCB i. 235, 249) states that the "root balbel much used in the Targums (Buxtorf, Lex, Rabb. 309), in biblical Hebrew balal, signifying mixture or confusion, suggests a better derivation for Barbelo, as denoting the chaotic germ of various and discrete existence: the change from ל to ר is common enough, and may be seen in the alternative form Βαρβηρώ. If the Babel of Justinus (Hipp. Haer. v. 26; x. 15) is identical with Barbelo, as is at least possible, this derivation becomes still more probable."
It may be an ad hoc Coptic construction signifying both 'Great Emission' (according to Bentley Layton's The Gnostic Scriptures) and 'Seed' according to F.C. Burkitt (in Church and Gnosis).
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2013, 05:01:12 PM »

Barbello is also called the immortal womb and the realm of the immortal birth
and she is sometimes called the Achamoth but others posit that the Achamoth precedes her or is her progeny. The Achamoth is the never incarnate spirit of the All Mother. Those that believe Barbello was formed by the Achamoth posit that there were previous wombs which formed immortal consciousness in space far from our local universe.

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